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Post by BOS Sports Fan on Nov 22, 2006 20:43:27 GMT -5
if he gets amazing at hitting we could have THREE power hitters in the middle of our lineup, and all form the DOminican Republic. that could be amazing
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 22, 2006 23:23:05 GMT -5
Yeah, also, one's old and good, but through his prime, one's right in his prime, and one's up and coming.
delp
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 22, 2006 23:29:27 GMT -5
Wily Mo will be very productive if he gets consistent at bats. He was injured a decent amount last year, which brought down his power numbers. Two years before, he had 26 homers in 336 at bats. That was at age 22. At age 23 he hit 19 homers in 311 at bats. Last year, he had 11 homers in 276 at bats. Now he is somewhat more patient at the plate, and at 25 next season, ready to start in my opinion. He has TREMENDOUS power potential. His OBP last year was not terrible, at .349, and he hit .301. If he can maintain this patience, although not great, his power will keep him in the lineup. All he needs is a chance, a complete season. In his career, he averages a homer every 17.77 at bats. If he plays a whole season, let's say 550 at bats, he would get 31 homers. As long as he has an OBP above .340, I'm fine with that. We should have a backup plan, though, and I think that David Murphy will be a solid backup plan by midseason. And yes, Thoos, if you're talking about that LASER shot off the monster. delp WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I FEEL LIKE THE BIGGEST IDIOT I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT CARLOS PENA WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 22, 2006 23:33:23 GMT -5
WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW.
idiot
so all of my research was for nothing?
delp
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 22, 2006 23:42:35 GMT -5
Well, no, because now I read your research and will comment on it.
Wily Mo showed shades of great fielding and shades of Manny-like fielding when we had him out in centerfield. He would make perfectly timed catches, and misplay the easiest balls. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. But his bat definitely makes up for his mediocrity in the field. Those stats about his homeruns show very good how much power he has, even without patience.
I think a solid backup plan for him, over David Murphy, would be Adam Stern, the World Baseball Championship all-star. He dominated the WBC and then played pretty well when he came up early-to-mid season. He's a solid backup, even though he's basically the exact opposite player of Wily Mo. But when we sub in Adam for him, we could fill in the power loss with say the other Pena I thought we were talking about, Carlos, for some extra power. Or we'll probably sign some more this offseason.
We'll see what happens, but Wily's always a great player progressing smoothly.
But Bronson....
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 23, 2006 0:02:42 GMT -5
I think we lost him, because we played him the minimum amount of games this year because of the rule 5 draft (I heard that somewhere, do NOT ask me how it works). Also, no Adam Stern played terrible for us. He played 10 games (I believe that rule 5 minimum), went 3/20 (.150) and his OBP was .190. He had one extra base hit, and had a .200 slugging %. He only stole one base, and made some risky (yet rewarding) plays in the field. He does play hard, but I don't believe he's a major leaguer. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware, but Carlos Pena is a first baseman, and I think he played like one game in the outfield last year. I'm not sure if you're saying that we should put him in the outfield, but I'm just telling you.
Also, Bronson would go about .500 for us. He was in the NL, and fizzled at the end of the year. The NL is AWFUL. I can name 2 real hitters in his division (The NL Central plays more than half their games in their division, which is why I name them): Jason Bay, Albert Pujols. He would be mediocre for us, but yes, we obviously could have used him, although you never know what would have happened if he stayed (the butterfly effect: noone would get hurt maybe). He could have given us a better chance last year, but I think in the long run this trade will favor us.
delp
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Post by BOS Sports Fan on Nov 23, 2006 9:24:31 GMT -5
thats what i was thinking last year. at first i didnt like the trade at all like furing the season. when all our pitchers were doing horrible i really didnt like it. and bronson was doing very well in the first half last year (all star game). when he was having that success and wily wasnt even starting i was thinking to myself, "why theo?"
then after the year was over and i could collect my thoughts i realized that this trade has potential to pay off in the long run. as you said pena has potential to become a major league slugger. idk maybe if we can sign drew next year we could trade manny to get something back for him then put pena in left and not loose a ton of offense. i think right now like the deal he made, but we'll have to just wait and see.
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 23, 2006 10:00:49 GMT -5
What are some of the possible deals going around for Manny? I'm not too wild about signing JD Drew and starting him and Wily Mo, with Coco. JD is kind of an Adrien (spelling?) Beltre type player. He has had one or two very good seasons and the rest he gets like negative 7 homeruns and 3.66666 RBI's. With the pressure of Boston fans, I doubt he'd have one of those real good seasons here with us.
I'd want something really good with Manny including a possible starting outfielder. The only idea I've even heard is with the Angels. I heard something like Scott Shields and Ervin Santana for him. I don't like that if we sign Daisuke. If we don't sign him, then it would be a better trade, but I still wouldn't feel like your getting enough for one of the elite sluggers in the entire league, and now the easily the best hitter left on the market (wanting a trade) after Alfonso was signed.
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Post by BOS Sports Fan on Nov 23, 2006 10:50:33 GMT -5
no matt i wasnt talking about this year. i was saying next year we could trade manny after pena has another year of getting better.
by the way, drew isnt like a andrien beltre. he didnt even have a great year. look at his stats
84 runs, 140 hits, 34 2b, 20 homers, 100 rbi, and a 293 avg. so he didnt even have as amazing a year as beltre did.
however, i think drew would be a good fit for boston and fenway park. he could thrive with that short right field, and hes not bad defence. he's a good player that i wouldnt mine welcoming to boston
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Post by papiortiz34 on Nov 23, 2006 10:51:51 GMT -5
One name for you that will solve the centerfield problem next year:
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 23, 2006 13:17:28 GMT -5
Nick, right field in Fenway is not short unless you're the biggest pull hitter ever. You'd have to hit it right down the line for the short rightfield to matter. He is a solid 5 spot hitter though, and if he could get 20 homers, 90 RBI's, hit .290, get 80 runs, have a .400 OBP (he gets on ALOT), and a .500 slugging percentage, all of which are not that much to ask of him, than I think he would be a great pickup.
Jacoby Ellsbury needs one more year in the minors, in my opinion, and he'll be a great leadoff hitter in a few years.
delp
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 23, 2006 21:14:49 GMT -5
Now Nick's just trying to get pointless stats so his posts look like he tries harder. It's a start, but yes, he is like an Adrien Beltre and you don't know what to expect with him. Here's JD's stats for the past couple years:
Last year- .283 avg, 20 hrs, 100 rbis, 84 runs, 2 sbs 2005- .286 avg, 15 hrs, 36 rbis, 48 runs, 1 sb 2004- .305 avg, 31 hrs, 93 rbis, 118 runs, 12 sbs 2003- .289 avg, 15 hrs, 42 rbis, 60 runs, 2 sbs 2002- .252 avg, 18 hrs, 56 rbis, 61 runs, 8 sbs 2001- .323 avg, 27 hrs, 73 rbis, 80 runs, 13 sbs
With on and off stats like that I don't see how you can't call him an Adrien Beltre. He goes back and forth every year. For stolen bases to range from 12 to 2 in full seasons, you just don't know what's coming for Boston if they got him. With a pretty good year last year, it looks like he's gonna have another bad 15 hr, 40 rbi season if you follow the pattern.
I'm not excited about JD.
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 23, 2006 22:05:20 GMT -5
Wasn't he hurt for a good amount of most of those years? Also, that's somewhat like Adrian Beltre, but barely. This is a 16 homer difference were talking about here, and Beltre was about a 30 home run difference.
delp
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Post by papiortiz34 on Nov 23, 2006 23:26:06 GMT -5
Jacoby Ellsbury needs one more year in the minors, in my opinion, and he'll be a great leadoff hitter in a few years. delp I guess I didnt put it the right way but thats what I meant
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Post by BOS Sports Fan on Nov 24, 2006 8:39:48 GMT -5
i wasnt calling him beltre bc he hasnt really had a monster season ever. his best is only like 31 homers and 100 rbi. beltre put up 50 homers and then fell off the face off the earth. drew has been reasonably steady at around 20 homers. hes been hurt a couple of those years so thats why i only posted lst year. i was actually gonna post the last couple but he was hurt for a good chunk of the year so it wouldnt be correct.
i was saying hes not like beltre bc beltre was a monster before his contract, and drew simply was not. there was big expectations for belte that will not be for drew. also drew wont have as big of a contract. ( how big was beltre's?) hes a solid player, not a superstar, and thats all i was saying.
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