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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 10, 2006 14:05:30 GMT -5
First of all, Pat Burrell was terrible, Matt. I'm pretty sure he was sitting in favor of SHANE VICTORINO at the end of the year. He struck out about 150 times I bet.
He hit 58 homers. He had 9 homers and 21 rbi's in the last month of the year. He led his team to an 18-11 record in the last month of the year after they had essentially given up. Yes, he had better tablesetters, but he drove them in when it counted.
After September 5, Albert Pujols only hit 5 homers in 25 games. It sounds like not that little, but if you go on that pace over a season you get about 32 homers, and that's if you play every game. Pujols hit 46 homers, and therefore played not his best baseball when it counted. Plus he fizzled in the playoffs compared to his season stats. Granted his team won the world series, but that was thanks to great pitching. Pujols team went 9-15 after September 5, and he didn't get the key hits.
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 10, 2006 22:30:05 GMT -5
9 for 15 after September 5? I'll take a .600 average anyday... Also, if Pujols hit 46 homers, compared to the 162 game schedule, thats a homer every 4 or so games. It's not like the homer every 5 games after September 5 is such a dropoff. Wait one more game for his heroics. Pujols also batted .331 compared to Howards .313 average.
When you look at stats down the stretch, here's how it looks. The last week of the season from September 23 to September 30, with the Phillies in the race for wildcard, scored only 2 runs and hit no homers. In that stretch, Pujols hit 2 homers for 7 rbis, boasting a .367 average, scoring 5 runs. During September, the two had nearly identical stats. Each scored 21 runs, had 9 homers, and 71/72 total bases. The only differences were that Pujols had SEVEN more rbis, but Howard had a .387 average compared to Pujols' .369. Howard also had 30 strikeouts during the month to Pujols' 11. For Pujols to get the ball in play so much more often and to get 7 more RBI's when Howard has Utley and Rollins always ahead of him to get on shows that Pujols was not such a liability when the year came down the end. That's an MVP.
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 10, 2006 22:40:19 GMT -5
Thoos, his team had 9 wins and 15 losses... he wasn't 9 of 15. If we're talking about down the stretch, and the two had nearly identical stats, than you have to give Howard the advantage because of how the Phillies did in that time.
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 10, 2006 22:44:15 GMT -5
Honestly, this vote could go either way and the AP people or whoever vote will be like 50/50.
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 10, 2006 22:46:05 GMT -5
Yeah, both races will be... Derek Jeter was a great leader, gold glover, and tablesetter to a team short of 2 of its best 4 power hitters. Papi was the best hitter, and sometimes the only hitter on the Sox, with Manny uninterested.
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 10, 2006 23:03:01 GMT -5
Derek Jeter's gold glove was a total joke. It's turned into an absolute popularity contest. I wouldn't be surprised if Manny and Papi win gold glove next year.
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 11, 2006 0:00:49 GMT -5
Well Thoos, who would you give it to? Maybe I don't agree with Derek Jeter, but you can't just say he flat-out doesn't deserve it.
These players led their teams in innings at shortstop. The bold ones started 144 or more games, and all the others started less than 130. I think durability is a big factor, and therefore all the nonbolds should be eliminated from contention. Yankees-Jeter Red Sox-Alex Gonzalez Blue Jays-John McDonald Devil Rays-Julio Lugo Orioles-Miguel Tejada Tigers-Carlos Guillen White Sox-Juan Uribe Twins-Jason Bartlett Royals-Angel Berroa Cleveland-Johnny Peralta Angels-Orlando Cabrera Athletics-Bobby Crosby Mariners-Yuniesky Betancourt Rangers-Michael Young
Jeter had the second least errors out of them. Of course, there's always the issue that noone thinks he has enough range. I think that he almost makes that up with his arm. For the near-routine plays for shortstops with more range that he makes look difficult, I'm sure that he can throw it good enough to make the play almost as good as high-range shortstops. He had the third best fielding percentage. He had the least double plays, but was without partner Robinson Cano for 40 games, so he could easily have 95 or 100, which would put him 4th out of the 7.
I would give it to Michael Young. He had the least errors, most double plays, best fielding percentage, most putouts, and started the second-most games, plus the second highest range factor.
Derek Jeter would go second for me, but that's mainly because Cabrera, Peralta, and Guillen have all been inconsistent in the past, and Tejada has been called out that he should DH. Betancourt I don't know how to put it, but he just shouldn't win. You can say that it should only be based on this year, but after Michael Young, the race is close and I think you must look at prior success.
So yes, I suppose it is a popularity contest, but in my opinion, considering durability and past success, Jeter shouldn't be called out as a joke for winning. No, I don't know why Michael Young was missed, but Jeter did have a good year in the field.
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 19, 2006 22:24:13 GMT -5
When are the MVP's announced?
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Post by celtics06 on Nov 20, 2006 15:05:41 GMT -5
today the NL was and howard recieved 20 1st place votes and won and Pujols got 12 first place votes
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Post by Cozy Slik on Nov 20, 2006 17:43:47 GMT -5
It seriously seems like it took longer than in previous years.
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Post by Sylvy721 on Nov 20, 2006 19:16:16 GMT -5
I think if Howard can win, Papi can win. Pujols' team went to the playoffs, but Howard had a better year. If anyone points out that DJ led his team to the playoffs and Papi's didn't It's just a nonpoint, because Howard was only a little bit better than Pujols in most stats, while Papi killed Derek in everything except maybe like, steals and triples. But that god damned gold glove will kill Papi.
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Post by mzingg11 on Nov 20, 2006 19:59:47 GMT -5
Papi needs to play the field to win MVP. Simple as that.
Unless he beats every single person in every statistical category by a large margin, that's it.
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Post by BOS Sports Fan on Nov 21, 2006 16:17:17 GMT -5
i don tthink that should play a factor. he was so clutch and got so many game winning hits that he was valuable. it doesnt matter if he just batted.
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